Какво да правим, когато започне война?

[TheDriver Профил]

трябваше, ама се сети късно!

и това, че руските ракети са по-добрите и то с няколко поколения всъщност означава наистина много и е свързано с темата баш в десетката
все пак добре е поне веднъж да застанем на страната на победителите от самото начало, за разлика от всички предишни пъти

Кои ракети - космическите,ICBM, крилатите и т.н.? Как определи кои са по-добри и кои по-лоши?

Няколко поколения ?!?! - дай пример моля.

П.С. С Булава какво стана - успяват ли вече да я изстрелват от подводницата за която е проектирана или тая тема не е добре да я повдигаме на рождения ден на вожда?

Като почнем от руските ракети-носители, които Пентагона защитава като стратегически необходими за космическата програма на САЩ, минем през крилатите, които се смяташе, че имат обхват 500, а се оказа над 800, че и абсолютно точни, след това минаваме към непрехващаемите хиперзвукови (да не се бърка със свръхзвукови) МБР и всичко това е в пъти по-мобилно, надеждно и мощно като поразяваща сила - те тея. Други трябват ли ти?

Да започнем от там че съм съгласен с теб че руските ракети носители подържат МКС в момента без да правя уговорки. Само че тия носители кога са проектирани и как стоят спрямо Falcon например като поколение?
Как стои Калибр като поколение спрямо Томахоук, а спрямо JASSM?
Единствено за мобилните ICBM мога да се съглася - там са поне с поколение напред. И причината е в стратегическите доктрини.

[Jordana Профил]

Как стои Калибр като поколение спрямо Томахоук, а спрямо JASSM?
Единствено за мобилните ICBM мога да се съглася - там са поне с поколение напред. И причината е в стратегическите доктрини

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Тези ракети трябва да се използват в масирани ракетни удари при конвенционална война за да има ефект върху противника .Справка войните в залива . И въпреки това пак не гарантират пълно унищожение на ПВО на противника - за това е нужна сухопътна операция . Ефекта от калибрите е съмнителен на този етап предвид малкия брой с който разполага Русия , самите руски експерти гвърдят че Русия не разчита на този тип оръжие за постигане на стратегически ефект .

[BMW_POWER]

"We have been told to prepare for a tactical nuclear exchange with Russia in Syria and forces at home in the US have been ordered to prepare for one-for-one intercontinental ballistic missile exchange(s) with Russia once the fighting breaks out in Syria!"
Further, those conversations have included warnings to families to immediately RELOCATE away from US Military bases which are expected to be targets of any intercontinental attack.

SuperStation95 has CONFIRMED such conversations with three separate military families who have family members in the Middle East!

The Pentagon refuses to comment on these reports, which is strange in-and-of-itself. Usually, the Pentagon will flatly deny erroneous reports. Not this time. Just a terse "no comment."

This is a developing story . . . please check back for updates.

UPDATE 8:25 PM EDT --

The developments reported above are accurate. These developments come from the cut-off of Diplomatic cooperation between the US and Russia inside Syria.

UNCONFIRMED . . . . repeat UNCONFIRMED reports indicate the US is going to directly attack Syrian forces in-and-around Syrian President Bashar Assad and perhaps Assad himself. This decision has allegedly been made because efforts to oust Assad by "rebel" means have failed and the US will not accept that failure.

How This Developed

The US wants Syrian President Bashar Assad out of power because Assad refused to allow QATAR to run a natural gas pipeline from its northern gas field, through various countries, including Syria, so as to supply natural gas to Europe. The US and Europe want this gas pipeline so as to lessen European reliance upon Russian-supplied natural gas. By lessening Europe's reliance upon Russia, the west thereby lessens Russia's power over Europe.

When QATAR first proposed this pipeline, it won approval from all the governments along the proposed route - except Syria. Since Syria has always been a Russian ally, Syrian President Assad realized that this pipeline would harm his Russian ally, and so he refused permission to have it travel through his country.

This refusal did not sit well with QATAR or its Sunni-Islam allies, like Saudi Arabia. Especially since, at the same time, Iran, which is Shi'ite Muslim and thus an enemy of Sunni Muslim countries, was proposing a gas pipeline of its own to Europe, via a slightly different route.

Shortly after Assad refused, there was a vast media blitz about him being a "ruthless dictator" who "abused his people" and . . . . all the same rhetoric the world heard about Saddam Hussein, Muammar Quadafi and the like.

Shortly after the media assault, QATAR, SAUDI ARABIA, BAHRAIN and their pals, decided to begin funding "freedom fighters" and "moderate rebels" to "liberate" Syria from its democratically-elected President, Assad. Thus began the so-called Syrian Civil War. It was not a civil war, it was groups of mercenaries, hired and paid by Qatar, Saudi Arabia and the rest, to oust Assad so as to get their pipeline run.

Their motivation was not simply earning profits from the gas pipeline, they also wanted to make certain that their arch-rival, Iran, could not run a pipeline and thus get access to vast monies from expanded sales.

Fighting Breaks Out in Syria

Fighting broke out inside Syria and things did not go well for the Syrian government. As the fighting grew worse, Assad realized he was going to lose, so he traveled to Moscow to ask his ally, Russia, for help. Russia agreed and sent troops, planes and war fighting equipment to Syria.

The Russians not only tipped the balance in favor of Syria, they uncovered the fact that the terror groups ISIS and Al-Nusra Front (a.k.a. Al-Qaida), were actively profiting from stealing oil from Syria and from northern Iraq, transporting that stolen oil into Turkey, where it was being slightly processed, re-packaged, and SOLD! The Russians proved that this oil theft and smuggling, with the cooperation of Turkey, was earning ISIS about $100 MILLION a month in profits to fund the terror group!

In order to stop ISIS terrorists, Russia began bombing the convoys carrying the stolen oil. This immediately put a crimp in the amount of stolen oil being smuggled into Turkey, thus impacting the clandestine profits of certain Turkish government officials. Turkey asked Russia to stop bombing the oil convoys. Russia refused.

Shortly thereafter, a Russian plane was shot down by Turkey, which claimed the Russian aircraft had violated its airspace. That claim was a lie. Turkey shot the plane down to send a message to Russia to stop screwing around with the oil smuggling. The message did not work.

Instead of halting the attacks, Russia publicly released video showing miles-long convoys of oil trucks, streaming-into Turkey almost 24 hours a day, with stolen oil smuggled from Syria and Iraq! These smugglers are in so tight with the Turkish government, they didn't even have to stop at border checkpoints; they got waved-through by border guards. This made clear who it was inside Turkey, profiting from the smuggled oil: Turkish President Recypt Erdogan . . . the same man who ordered the Russian plane shot down.

Russia then imposed a travel ban on Russians visiting Turkey, and imposed economic sanctions on Turkey, which seriously damaged Turkey's economy.

As the months of fighting in Syria continued, the Russians enjoyed success after success in stopping both the terror groups AND the rebels trying to overthrow Assad.

This did not sit well with the US, which was aiding the "rebels" in the effort to overthrow Assad. It also didn't help the US that the media was full of stories about Russian successes, and this got people asking why Russia was having so much success, when Americans had been in Syria for over a year prior, and did not make ANY progress against the terrorists?

The uncomfortable truth emerged just weeks ago, when it became undeniably clear that the ISIS and Al-Qaida terrorists ARE the "moderate rebels" being helped by the U.S.

As Russian military action continued to crush the terrorists and rebels, the US proposed working with the Russians; a gesture welcomed by Russia.

But the Russians quickly came to realize that the US was being deliberately dishonest. They didn't want to help at all, what the US wanted to do was limit the strikes against its "moderate rebels" hoping to sneakily continue to overthrow Assad.

When Russia realized that the US was being dishonest, it went abut doing what needed to be done to continue protecting its ally.

So what did the US do? It had coalition aircraft attack the Syrian Army, killing 62 and wounding 100.

Making matters worse, just seven minutes after the coalition aircraft attacked, well-organized elements of ISIS and Al-Qaida, launched a ground assault against the very same Syrian Army location. Syria claims to have audio recordings of the Coalition pilots coordinating with the ISIS terrorists by radio just before coalition aircraft attacked the Syrian army. The Pentagon says this claim is "false and ludicrous."

Shortly after the attack, the US claimed "it was a mistake" and said they would investigate and explain to Russia and Syria. So the Russians and Syrians called for -- and got -- an emergency meeting of the UN Security Council in New York. Instead of explaining what happened, US Ambassador Samantha Powers, WALKED OUT of the meeting! There was not going to be any explanation.

Afterwards, the Russian Defense Ministry publicly stated "We have come to the terrifying conclusion for the world, that the US is actually supporting the ISIS Terrorists."

With no explanation from the US, Russia then attacked a long-established and well-known Terrorist Operations Center. A Russian ship operating off the coast of Syria, launched three Kaliber missiles which scored direct hits on this operations center.

When the dust cleared, among the dead terrorists were three dozen uniformed military officers . . . from the United States, Israel and Turkey! What were dozens of uniformed officers from the US, Israel an Turkey doing inside a terrorist operations center? Well . . . they were doing exactly what Russia said: Supporting terrorists! Story HERE

Shortly thereafter, Syria's largest city, Aleppo, which has been under ISIS control for over a year, came under attack by elements of the Syrian Army, intent to reclaim their city. The attacks were remarkably successful, thanks in large part to air support from Russia. The success of operations in Aleppo, sent the US off the deep-end; they were witnessing what could very well be, the complete failure of their efforts to oust Assad. So the US told Russia that unless Russia stopped bombing Aleppo, the US would cut-off cooperation.

The Russians, seeing that US "cooperation" was nothing but lies coming from dishonest (and dishonorable) US military commanders who were operating for a dishonest (and dishonorable) US government, was worthless. The Russians refused to cease operations in Aleppo.

Yesterday, as threatened, the US cut-off Diplomatic cooperation with Russia inside Syria and is now allegedly planning an outright military attack to achieve its goal of ousting Syrian President Assad.

Russia, seeing what the US is planning, has now moved its feared S-300v4 surface-to-air missile defense system into Syria. Once this system locks onto an aircraft, there is no defense. The aircraft is dead and there's no way to outrun, out-maneuver, or fool the system. This means that Russia can, at any time, ground all US aircraft operating in Syria simply by turning-on the S-300v4 system.

Remember, Russia was asked to help Syria and has permission from the Syrian government to be in that country. The US did not ask permission and does not have it. The US also does not have a declaration of war by Congress, or an authorization for the use of military force from Congress, or a UN Security Council resolution to be in Syria.

What the US is doing in Syria is 100% completely illegal. The US military Commanders carrying out orders in Syria, such as Lt. General Stephen Townsend who is based out of Fort Bragg, NC, are engaged in criminal war actions. They have chosen to obey orders which they know to be illegal. General Townsend and his staff should be arrested and taken into custody by local US troops. But the troops won't do it because they know that these illegal orders come from the top, and if they arrest the General, they will quickly find themselves arrested because the criminal actions being undertaken are being ordered by President Barack Obama -Criminal-In-Chief.

Other Issues Driving us toward war

While all this was taking place, NATO was expanding eastward along Russia's borders. This violated a promise made by then-Secretary of State James Baker, who promised after the Soviet Union dissolved, that "NATO will not move one inch eastward." Since Baker's promise, NATO has added the Baltic States of Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia to its membership.

In an effort to increase NATO presence around Russia, the US spent $5 Billion to foment to violent overthrow of the duly-elected President of Ukraine, so as to install a puppet government favorable to the West. This was discovered when Assistant Secretary of State Gloria Nuland got caught using an unsecured phone to call the State department. It was during this call - which was intercepted by Russian Intelligence - that Nuland notoriously said "Fuck Europe" when told the Europeans had concerns about what the US was doing in Ukraine. That phone call was made public by Russia, thus proving the US/NATO did foment the overthrow and lied about it.

Most recently, Poland and Romania became home to a US Missile Defense systems, designed to shoot missiles out of the sky. Russia says these systems are designed to prevent Russia from firing back if it is fired upon, making them a "sitting duck" for a US/NATO first-strike, and they strongly warned NATO not to activate the systems in Poland and Romania.

NATO said the Russian fears are nonsense, the systems are there to protect against launches from Iran. There's just one minor problem: all the radar stations connected to this missile defense system are aimed east / northeast at Russia instead of south/ southeast at Iran. So again, the US/NATO lied, again. And got caught, again.

Russia made clear that if those missile defense systems went active in Romania and Poland, Russia would take action. The systems went active two weeks ago.

If you were the Russians, and you saw lie after lie, and the encroachment of foreign military forces all around your nation, and the activation of a system which would render your defenses useless, what would you do?

According to the The Ministry of the Russian Federation for Civil Defence, Emergencies and Elimination of Consequences of Natural Disasters, this "Drill"began on October 4 and has three stages. October 4 was Stage 1.

From their official government web site, here is what consitutues Stage 1:

Stage I: organization of civil defense actions

The stage is going to practice notification and gathering of senior officials of federal and regional executive authorities, local governments and civil defense forces, deployment of civil defense management system on all levels, readying civil defense communication and notification system. After the National Crisis Management Center have brought the management signals, all management bodies, state authorities, forces and facilities on duty and people will be notified through notification systems available.

Sounds perfectly reasonable, right? Next, on October 5, comes stage 2. From their official government web site, here is what constitutes Stage 2:

Stage II: Planning and organization of civil defense actions. Deploying a team of civil defense forces and facilities designed to respond to large disasters and fires.

The stage plans to practice deployment of a mobile interagency multi-functional team of civil defense forces and facilities in each federal district in order to carry our rescue and other urgent operations, civil defense actions and to deploy special civil defense units in constituent territories; putting rescue military units, divisions of the federal fire service, rescue units on standby. The stage provides for the team to be reinforced, activation of backup control centers and practicing collecting and exchanging information in the field of civil defense.

Again, perfectly reasonable. In fact, if it was a drill, this would be something to admire in its thoroughness! But then their official government web site comes to Stage 3. Wait until you read the final paragraph:

Stage III: Organization of actions of civil defense management bodies and forces for response to large disasters and fires.

The stage will deal with the use of the civil defense team to respond to large disasters and fires, setting up aerial and mobile control centers, revising of routes for safe evacuation of people, organization of vital services; taking off fire and rescue units of the federal fire service to put out fires and conduct rescue operations at potentially dangerous facilities, including closed administrative territorial entities.

The drill will rehearse radiation, chemical and biological protection of the personnel and population during emergencies at crucial and potentially dangerous facilities. Fire safety, civil defense and human protection at social institutions and public buildings are also planned to be checked. Response units will deploy radiation, chemical and biological monitoring centers and sanitation posts at the emergency areas, while laboratory control networks are going to be put on standby.

More than 40 million people, 200,000 specialists of emergency rescue divisions and about 50,000 units of equipment are going to be involved in the drill.

Yes, you read that correctly, they doing this "drill" with forty MILLION people. All of a sudden, this doesn't look like a "drill" to any rational person. So if it'shnot a drill, then what is it? Well, it's staring us right in the face!

You can verify this yourself by visiting the Russian Ministry at their web site HERE.

PUTIN GIVES "ULTIMATUM" TO U.S.

On the same day that the US announced it was breaking-off Diplomatic cooperation with Russia in Syria, Russian President Vladimir Putin gave what Bloomberg Business News is calling "An Ultimatum" to the United States. His demands are as follows:

Roll back North Atlantic Treaty Organization infrastructure and reduce NATO personnel to September 2000 levels;
Repeal the Magnitsky Act, which imposed sanctions on Russian officials allegedly involved in human rights violations;
Repeal all U.S. sanctions against Russian individuals and businesses;
Compensate Russians for damages incurred by U.S. sanctions and by Russia’s “forced countersanctions”;
Present a “clear plan of irreversible destruction” of U.S. surplus plutonium.

To quote Bloomberg directly, they said "Putin might as well have said the program will resume when hell freezes over." Their story is HERE.

So our mass-media is laughing this off. Oh. Since Bloomberg Business News used the word "Ultimatum" to describe Putin's communication, we'll just ask: "What usually happens after an Ultimatum is given?" War.

Lest any of you think the Russians are somehow afraid of the US, take a look at how they portray Putin versus Obama in their media:

https://www.superstation95.com/index.php/world/2176

[Bogat-Beden Профил Уеб-сайт]

Те даже вероятно са си разменили някой друг атом,и ни прожектират стари филми от Сирия,а там вече и пустиня няма

Куул стори,чете се на един дъх

[Jordana Профил]

Резултата от операция Bear Spear - разиграване глобален конфликт САЩ - Русия завършва с пълно унищожение на двете страни . Абсолютно неприемливи загуби за САЩ дори само от 30% от стратегическите оръжия на Русия които остават след превантивния удар на САЩ . 400 милиона умират още в първите часове на 3тата световна . Ръката на мъртвеца - все още стиска здраво .

[BMW_POWER]

Малко на майтап, но твърдят че руския ХААРП бил по-добър. Факт е, че на рожденият ден на Путин ураган удари Щатите А знаем, че руснаците обичат да поднасят подаръци на първите си ръководители при такива поводи

[MatriX_Fucked Профил]

В един от военните ни форуми се разиграват хипотетични сценарии, един от тях беше за поразяване само на един (голям, важен, стратегически..) град. Директните и косвените загуби от само един град биха могли спокойно да върнат една от развитите държави 30-тина години назад...Главното е, че ние обиковенно като говорим за ядрени удари смятаме директните загуби...След това става една мътна и кървава, бежанци, хаос, беззаконие, инфраструктура, икономика. А след като веднъж е уязвена една държава, освен основния противник (да речем, че е унищожен), ще се озъбят и други, докато "съюзници", "партньори" и "големи приятели" си натискат парцалите и се надяват да им се рамине. Малко държави по света имат само един неприятел...

[alex_th Профил]

Ясно е, че при ядрени удари всички сме "чао".
Нека предположим, че става въпрос за регионален конфликт от граждански тип.
Какви са най-подходящите оръжия за градска среда, извънградска среда (слабо населена, тип село или вила), изолирана къща и т.н.?
Хора, тамата трябва да е хем информативна, хем и отчасти забавна, престанете с ядрените удари...

[steeN Профил]

То какво им се иска на военните и каква е реалната ситуация са различни неща. Затова няма прокопсала държава с военно управление. Директна война наистина ще върне човечеството в желязната епоха. По-скоро ще се ритат на чужд терен като в Сирия. Лошото е, ако мачът се пренесе в Европа, защото първото полувреме ще е на Балканите...

Факт. Ако няма войни военните остават безработни. За това постоянно трябва да си измислят работа.

[Jordana Профил]

Сори че трябва да цитирам Клаузевиц : Войната е продължение на политиката с други средства . Така че генералитета това му е работата , да завърши започнатото от политиците , на бойното поле а не на масата за преговори . Ако бе различно отношението на генералите към войната , то те не биха могли да изпълнят мисията за която се готвят през цялата си кариера .
Тези които търпят упрек са политиците , защото те създават и култивират армиите и създават конфликтите . А когато военните започнат да действат , същите тия политици пляскат с ръце и кършат пръсти - каква стана тя .

[alex_th Профил]

Взеизвестен исторически факт е, че от криза се излиза с война...
Войната, между другото, винаги е давала технологичен скок във всички отношения.
Проблемът при ядрена война е ясен, няма да има технологичен скок.

Дори и да става въпрос само за конвенционална война, ние отново сме на грешната страна, историята се повтаря... вижте че чак резняците на юг се преориентираха и смениха рязко курса, а бяха доскоро стратегически партньор на УСА.

Това робско племе, наречено българЕ, след настъпването на "демокрацията", освен да дава големи обеми от ниско-квалифицирани емигранти, малки порции от високо-квалифицирани емигранти и трафик от кОври на развития западен свят (като изпитвах сериозни резерви дали да не обединя последните две категории в една), даже не смее да скочи на един нормален, човешки протест и да смаже тая лайняна черешка на тортата, наречена "политически елит". Защо? Защото това ще е анти-демократично и дълбоко порочно, казват новите ни господари... абе хора, едно време омразните ни комунисти разрешиха митинги из цялата страна и сдадоха багажа... сега какво става? Само "Протестна мрежа" има думата... ма то така е.

Та, за да оправдая това отплесване от темата, ще кажа - някога имаше шанс, сега шанса да се защитим и дори при забъркани етнически говна от знаете кого, няма да го споменавам, ако не му играем по свирката, е ЗЕРО. Кой ще излезне? Дъртаците на по 40+ години ли? А всичката облъчена, метросексуална младеж, закърмена с евро-атлантически ценности, ще търси активно internet access, за да постне във фейсбук, туитър и т.н.

Както казах по-горе, темата за мен е забавно-информативна. Практическо значение може и да има, но не на тия геогравски ширини.

[(bubsa) Профил]

Взеизвестен исторически факт е, че от криза се излиза с война...
Войната, между другото, винаги е давала технологичен скок във всички отношения.
Проблемът при ядрена война е ясен, няма да има технологичен скок.

Дори и да става въпрос само за конвенционална война, ние отново сме на грешната страна, историята се повтаря... вижте че чак резняците на юг се преориентираха и смениха рязко курса, а бяха доскоро стратегически партньор на УСА.

Това робско племе, наречено българЕ, след настъпването на "демокрацията", освен да дава големи обеми от ниско-квалифицирани емигранти, малки порции от високо-квалифицирани емигранти и трафик от кОври на развития западен свят (като изпитвах сериозни резерви дали да не обединя последните две категории в една), даже не смее да скочи на един нормален, човешки протест и да смаже тая лайняна черешка на тортата, наречена "политически елит". Защо? Защото това ще е анти-демократично и дълбоко порочно, казват новите ни господари... абе хора, едно време омразните ни комунисти разрешиха митинги из цялата страна и сдадоха багажа... сега какво става? Само "Протестна мрежа" има думата... ма то така е.

Та, за да оправдая това отплесване от темата, ще кажа - някога имаше шанс, сега шанса да се защитим и дори при забъркани етнически говна от знаете кого, няма да го споменавам, ако не му играем по свирката, е ЗЕРО. Кой ще излезне? Дъртаците на по 40+ години ли? А всичката облъчена, метросексуална младеж, закърмена с евро-атлантически ценности, ще търси активно internet access, за да постне във фейсбук, туитър и т.н.

Както казах по-горе, темата за мен е забавно-информативна. Практическо значение може и да има, но не на тия геогравски ширини.

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Но аз бих бил доста по-груб в изказа си!

[E34 Профил]

Дъртаците на по 40+ години ли?

баце точно па тия "дъртаци" на 40 и малко плюс никога нема да скочат щото са прекалено заети с фитнеса, е*ането и правенето на кинти и ги боли шланга за политиката! ич ми е през оная работа кой пореден олигофрен е начело на държавата, свят широк и пазар огромен ко ма разбирате правилно
П.С: Ей го и визите за Канада щели да махат от 2018-та така че Повера да се стега за тежки гости

[steeN Профил]

Войната носи само разрушения и дългове. Сори, ама трябва да сте идиоти да искате технологичното развитие, което "създават" военните. Никой никога не е излязал от криза с война... само я е отложил или е насрал положението още повече.

[TheDriver Профил]

Войната носи само разрушения и дългове. Сори, ама трябва да сте идиоти да искате технологичното развитие, което "създават" военните. Никой никога не е излязал от криза с война... само я е отложил или е насрал положението още повече.

САЩ WW2?